| 4. | John Creamer was born 22 Oct 1786, Co. Longford, Ireland (son of Bernard Creamer and Ann Kilbride); died Jun 1842, Desable, Prince Edward Island, Canada; was buried R.C. Cemetery, Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, Canada. Notes:
[Creamer from Dick Brooks.ged]
!Census Canada 1841 Prince Edward Island Queens County District 6 Lots 29,30,31,65
John Creamer (Cremar)
2 males under 16; 1 male 45 to 60; 1 female under 16; 1 female 16 to 45; 1 female 45 to 60
served in the British Army from 25 March 1810 to 15 Sep 1829; 19 years 175 days;
discharged from the 81st Regiment of Infantry; discharge papers
memoir of his great-granddaughter Mary Ready, Mrs James D Flood
states that when he was dying, his son William tried to fetch a priest.
since William's children were all born in New Brunswick, the earliest in 1845,
John Creamer probably died in the early 1840s - 1841-1844
Parish register for Granard Parish, County Longford lists only one John Creamer born
during the 1780's and 1790's; with father Bernard and siblings Mary, Patrick, Hugh
and Bernard; as these also seem to be family names for William Creamer's siblings,
I assume that the John Creamer in the parish register is the correct John Creamer
army discharge papers list age 21 at enlistment in 1810; however this may have been
age "over 21"
also listed in the parish register is a Hugh Creamer married to a Mary McCormick in
Feb 1789 and children Hugh (Mar 1791) Margaret (Mar 1796) and Bernard (Aug 1798)
could this be Bernard Creamer (John Creamer's father)'s brother?
Hi Guys,
Eric Creamer (Peter and Mary Creamer's son) called me today as we are planning on getting together soon as our schedules will permit. He has some pictures and history stuff that he would like me to see! He sent me an email on some stuff on Barney Creamer and some pictures of the Altar that he had built. I thought you guys maybe interested!
Dick, yes I have heard of Cynthia McLeod and I do like her music. Natasha and I have just started taking fiddle lessons. So hopefully when you come to the island to visit we will be able to play you all a tune.... But don't come too soon as we are still pretty bad!
Well, I must go we have a movie to watch. Also we are getting hit with a blizzard tonight. The snow should start around midnight and I am praying that it will shut the island down tomorrow then I won't have to go to work... As I leave at 5:45 in the morning and have about an hours drive to work. I know in a bit city that is normal to have that long of a drive to work but for us folks here on the island its a long drive to work. Anyhow, nice to hear from you again Dick.
Take care,
Daphne
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Hi! all, We had a great christmas with William and Kaitlin home.Great family get togethers at Teresa's and Kath's.Eileen gave Carole and I a great book by Brendon O'Grady : Exiles and Islanders The Irish Settlers Of Prince Edward Island.He states :
" Apparently the pioneer Irish family in the area [Kelly's Cross] was that of John Creamer, a native of county Longford, who after his military service- possibly under Wellington at Waterloo- stopped briefly at Saint John , New Brunswick, before taking possession of some land here in 1835 or earlier. Creamer's wife, Mary McGuire was probably born in county Cork- though a local guess is that she was born in county Monaghan. This latter assumption concerning her birthplace gave rise to a local theory that Mrs. Creamer played a key role in bringing Monaghan people to Kelly's Cross.Supporting this theory was the belief that some of the new immigrants resided in the large Creamer home while they were erecting their own dwellings. It is also believed that John Creamer helped mark off and assign farms for the new tenants."
It is interesting to note that included in the families who immigrated to this area from county Monaghan are the Mckenna's,Trainors McQuaids, McGaugheys and Floods; all of which are related to us through marriage. Mr.O Grady also states that people from other parts of Ireland used to caution others to " Never say Boo! to a Monaghan [person from county Monaghan] because when it comes to a fair or a fight you cant hold them back.
Mary Ready{ Mrs. James D Flood} in her History of the Creamer Family of South Melville,Prince Edward Island writes;
Our great grandfather John Creamer, was born in Co. Longford, Ireland and married Mary McGuire, a convert from county Cork. He enlisted at the commencement of the Napoleonic Wars 1793 in the English Army, to battle against the forces that were at that period sweeping all ahead of them. The date of birth of John Creamer is unknown, but we know he must of been quite young, as it seems he was far from being an old man at the time of his death.We know from the lips of our elders, that he fought all through the Penninsular War, which lasted from 1808 to 1814. During that time he was accompanied by his wife and family, a privilege which is said to be accorded very few soldiers. I can well remember our grandfather, Bernard Creamer, tell of being in Spain when he was a small boy, and the lasting impression made upon him by the gold buttons on the officers coats. Great grandmother used to look after the officers clothes and was well paid for her services.
Previous to this time, the Regiment he was in was stationed in St. John ,N.B. where our grandfather, Bernard Creamer was born. On recall of the Regiment, a daughter Ellen was born, when our great grandparents were crossing the Atlantic. This daughter married Michael McGaughey, who lived on the Green Road and is buried in Kell's Cross. There were two other sons, Hugh and William, and another daughter Mary. Hugh was a seaman and died aboard a ship in the West Indies. William, whose death I well remember, died in Marinette, Wisconson,U.S.A. Mary who married a man named Whelan, lived and died in Calais Maine Where her descendants still live and are boat builders.
On his way home to the " Island "-not so many years ago- uncle Ambrose visited our relatives in Calais,Maine. My brother Ernest has met them several times.
The name and Regiment to which our ancestor belonged is not certain, especially the number. The name and number as well as I can recall was the 79 Foot Soldiers commonally called in our day Infantry. My mother thought the number of the regiment was the 67th. After the battle of Waterloo 1815 and the conclusion of the war, John Creamer asked for and recieved his discharge from the army,saying that since he wore the uniform for 22 years, he was anxious to settle himself in civil life and intended returning to Canada.
Besides a sum of money due to him, he was given a ' Grant " of 200 acres of land, presumably in the vicinity of St. John New Brunswick. He came to Canada and finally settled on a farm three miles from South Melville, a district known as Desable. This farm is now occupied by Ivan MacKinnon. In the course of time our ancestor moved to the present Creamer homestead. The object of the move was to be located where the biggest timber could be had, since he was planning on making a livelyhood by lumbering.
He died there at a comparatively early age. At that period the nearest church was a Charlottetown. His son William set out on horseback to get a priest, but unfortunately,owing no doubt to the long journey, the poor man had passed away before the priest arrived. He is said to have been an exemplary Christian and to have had excellant principles. He was quiet in dispositon and quite indifferent to worldly gains-which explains the fact that he never made an attempt to locate and claim the " Grant" above mentioned .
After his death, his son William had the " Grant " in his possession. While living in this district, on a farm now occupied by John Trainor,the house was burned and the deed to this " Grant" was destroyed in the fire. I remember hearing our grandmother, Mrs Bernard Creamer, stating that it was written on parchment.
Our Great-grandfather's widow lived to be a very old woman, becoming blind in her last days, and died with her daughter Ellen, at the Green Road, and is buried in Kell's Cross. Great-grandfather, the War Veteran, is buried just inside the gates of the R.C. cemetery, Charlottetown beside another old soldier named Lane. Uncle John knew where the grave was.
Before the outbreak of World War I ,our cousin Agnes Malone and her husband, Thomas MacDonald of New york City were here and while discussing the subject of the "Grant", he advised writing to the War Office in London, to see if a copy of his {our ancestor } discharge could be found. The war Office replied very courteously, saying the would help all they could and asked for additional information. I wrote again, but in the meantime the war had broken out, and so it was useless to expect any results until the war would be over."
W.H. Leard from Souris,PEI writes that John Creamer was the son of Bernard Creamer and Ann Kilbride married in Granard Parish, County Longford Ireland in 1783. His older sister Mary was born in March 1784 and had three younger brothers;Patrick December, 1789, Hugh Febuary 1793,and Bernard in January 1796. John Creamer was born in October, 1786, County Longford, Ireland, married Mary "Hattie" Mcguire born in 1795 in County Cork, Ireland. He enlisted in the British army and served in the 2nd Battalion of the 67th Regiment,particularly the Peninsular. He was in Spain from 1808 to 1814. This battalion was raised in 1803 almost entirely from Irish soldiers and was disbanded in 1817. He was discharged in 1815. John and Mary Creamer had six children; Bernard 1817,Ellen,Hugh,Mary,William 1820-1899 and Roy Creamer.
Bernard Creamer born in 1817,Saint john ,N.B.,Canada married January 28,1851 to Margaret Malone,daughter of Mary Cook, born 1830, county Tipperary, Ireland and died January 22,1907 Kelly's Cross ,PEI.Canada.interred in the Kelly;s Cross R.C. cemetery.Bernard died January 5,1906 in Kelly's and is also intered at the Kelly's Cross R.C. Cemetery.Bernard and Margaret Creamer had 13 children;John november 14,1851, Margaret Anne January 29,1853,Hugh March 12,1854,William March 3,1856, Mary Ellen May 6,1858.Bernard," Barney " 1860-1936,Caroline September 1861,Mary 1862,Francis June 20,1863,Elizabeth August 1866,Jane 1869, Ambrose March11,1869 and Timothy December 7,1873.
Bernard "Barney' Creamer born in 1860 in Kelly's Cross Canada, resided in Souris, PEI. A contractor/craftsman married Elizabeth Matilda 'Eliza" Campion daughter of George and Mary [Cook ] Campionborn April 28,1862 Souris,PEI.and died May 12 1918. Barney then married Catherine " Cassie" Morrison daughter of Peter and Mary[MacDonald} Morrison born 1870 and died in 1953 in Souris.Barney died in Souris on May 15, 1936 and is interredat the RC cemetery in Souris.
In the parish history, Immaculate Conception Church, Palmer Road 1892-1992 "A Masterpiece of its Kind " Reg Porter in his architectural evaluation states;
" The church is fortunate still to have its three alters.These are made of painted and guilded wood and were designed in the flanboyant Gothic style with lots of pinnacles and carved decoration. There is documentation to suggest that these were made by Bernard Creamer [died 1936] a woodworker from Eastern King's County.There is some evidence to suggest [Creamer file PEIMHF ] that the builder imported some of the carved wooden ornaments from Germany and integrated them in his alters, while other sources suggest that he himself was an accomplished wood carver.At any rate these alters are exceptionally fine, even elegant, examples of their type and are a treasure in the wake of the destruction that took place following Vatican II....The lovely church,so little known to Islanders in general, is an architectural gem of considerable importance,not only to the Island but Canada as a whole. This is not only because of its fine design and craftmanship, both inside and out, but also with its association with Francois Xavier Meloche, an artist/architect who has yet to take his proper place in the annals of Canadian art.
The authors later state:
The original alter builder is not known for certain, but seems likely to have been Bernard Creamer of Souris, who is known to have built the oak pulpit which can be seen in the interior view of 1910. Mr. Creamer was well known by 1900 for the woodwork from his shop near Souris [Chepstow] and for already building alters in Kings county, at Kinkora [1903], North Sydney, and the Magdalene Islands. There is a ststement on the Diocesan Inventory of 1977 sent in by Mrs.John J. Gaudet that he was the builder because of the striking similarity to the Kinkora alter. The description quoted in the recently published Kinkora Historywould almost fit the Palmer Road alter- except that this one is larger and has matching side alters. Creamer's grandson Peter Creamer, revealed in 1980 that the carvings were imported from Germany.But a great amount of the other fancy work was produced at his shop. Gilt was applied by an assistant from Souris.
The short history compiled by a group of parishioners at St Louis Community School entitled SOME HISTORICAL AND BIOGRAPHICAL NOTES ON THE COMMUNITY OF PALMER ROAD WRITTEN IN 1973 gives a detailed description of the interior and exterior features of the Immaculate Conception Church at Palmer Road and credits Bernard Creamer with the creation of these alters and the construction and design of many alters in the Atlantic region. They note that it is the largest wooden church on PEI and one of its finest architectural gems.
Carole and I drove up to Palmer Road this morning and went to mass with about six hundred parishioners in this beautiful church that can hold about one thousand people comfortably.Father Art Pendergast introduced us to the parish as descendants of Bernard Creamer who built the alters and joked with us that the children of the parish always called them castles.We were then invited to a roast pork dinner across the road at the community center and treated to a lovely meal and a warm welcome by the people of the area. We have attatched a few pictures of the church and have more if any one is interested. I hope I haven't bored any one too much with my digging into family history and my need to share this information and stories. We hope 2005 brings you all the best.
Eric and Carole
Palmer Rd Ch NE view.JPG
Palmer Rd Ch main alter 1 .JPG
Palmer Rd Ch rose window 2.JPG
Palmer Rd Ch main alter lamb of god center piece 2.JPG
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JOHN CREAMER Born GRENARD, Longford Served in 81st Foot Regiment Discharged aged 40
1810-1829
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JOHN CREAMER
Born GRENARD, Longford
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Daniel F Johnson : Volume 32 Number 1363
Date : July 29, 1872
County : Saint John
Place : Saint John
Newspaper : Daily News
The language of the text is the original used in the newspaper entry and as transcribed by Daniel F. Johnson. Records acquired by the Provincial Archives are not translated from the language in which they originate.
A woman named Mrs. CREAMER was burned to death in Charlottetown, P.E.I. on Sunday last. She was pouring kerosene into a stove in order to kindle the fire, but the fluid touching some smouldering emblems, a flame burst out and enveloped the unfortunate woman.
Name of Township, Town, or Royalty. 29
Name of the head of each Family. John Creamer
Trade or Occupation. Farmer
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Males: Under 16 years of age. 2 Females: Under 16 years of age. 1
Males: From 16 to 45. 0 Females: From 16 to 45. 1
Males: From 45 to 60. 1 Females: From 45 to 60. 1
Males: Upwards of 60. 0 Females: Upwards of 60. 0
Number of Deaf and Dumb in each family. 0 Number of Blind in each family. 0
Number of Insane in each family. 0 Total number in each family (including Servants and Apprentices). 6
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Number of persons in each family, in connexion with the Church of England. 0
Number of persons in each family, in connexion with the Church of Scotland. 0
Number of persons in each family, being Presbyterian, in connexion with the Presbytery of P.E. Island. 0
Number of Roman Catholics in each family. 6
Number of Methodists in each family. 0
Number of Baptists in each family. 0
Number of persons in each family, of any other denomination. 0
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Number of acres held by each family in fee simple. 0
Number of acres of Land held by each family by Leasehold. 100
Number of acres held by each family by written demises. 0
Number of acres held by each family by verbal Agreements. 0
Number of acres held by each family as Occupants, being neither Freeholders or Tenants. 0
Number of years of term of Lease expired. 5
Number of years of term of Lease. 999
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AMOUNT OF RENT PAID BY EACH FAMILY
Present Rent paid by each Family per acre. (£ / s / d)
Increasing Rent per acre. (£ / s / d) 0/0/3
Full Rent, & what year it comes to full rent (£ / s / d) 0/1/0
Rent in Sterling (£ / s / d) 0/1/0
Rent in Currency (£ / s / d) 0/1/1
QUALITY OF LAND
If 1st best quality: 0 / If 2d best quality: 100 / If 3rd best quality: 0
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Number of persons whose passage was paid by Proprietors,
and the date of their arrival in this Colony,
and age of such person on his arrival. No data
No data
No data
Number of persons who repaid their passage money to the Proprietors or their Agents. 0
Number of persons who paid their own passage. 4
Number of acres of arable Land held by each family. 25
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PRODUCE RAISED BY EACH FAMILY DURING THE LAST YEAR
Number of Bushels of Wheat. 35 Number of Bushels Barley. 5
Number of Bushels Oats. 30 Number of Bushels Potatoes. 600
Number of Horses owned by each family. 1 Number of Neat Cattle owned by each family. 6
Number of Sheep owned by each family. 5 Number of Hogs owned by each family. 5
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Number of persons in each family being natives of England. 0
Number of persons in each family natives of Scotland. 4
Number of persons in each family being natives of Ireland. 0
Number of persons in each family being natives of this Island. 2
Number of persons in each family being natives of the British Colonies. 0
Number of persons in each family being natives of other Colonies. 0
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John — Margaret (Hattie) (MacGuire) Maguire. Margaret was born Abt 1795, Co. Cork Ireland; died May 1871, Prince Edward Island, Canada; was buried Kelly's Cross, Prince Edward Island, Canada. [Group Sheet]
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